ive hunted the n.y. catskills for 25 years ,we are no where near the herd that we had back then. what bothers me is the decline of hunting deer here. the road that i have hunted on for those years the autos parked on that road has gone from 15 or so to 2 trucks on opening day.you would think that would be positive sign for the herd. nope i see far less deer now ,then when there was far more hunters .i believe it is a combination of factors including coyotes ,road hunting , jack lighting , winter starvation ,old growth forest. one more thing ,that may bother some,but i could care less, i get my hands on as many doe permits as possable, but i have never shot or will ever shoot a doe , as i see it through the years ive saved around 25 deer.