I agree that certain areas of the state the numbers are downdue to an overabundance of permits given out in prior years. I feel that each WMU or even parts of the WMU's vary in numbers of deer. I know one thing down here in 3R we have plenty of deer. This was one of the rare areas where non-residents stood a high chance of receiving first and second permits. Only problem is one of access to land(1/4 of this area is state and county parks)and out of the 5 townships in this WMU only one still lets you discharge a firearm whereas the others it is archery only. If I could hang a tree stand off my back deck I could easily tag out. Only problem, if I missed the arrow would bounce off the blacktop that the deer must cross so they can eat my landscaped bushes. I personally think that after opening of southern zone alot of deer become nocturnal. I hunted 6p last year and this year and after the opener stand hunting became very difficult. The guys I hunted with pushed bush,something I do not enjoy, but when in Rome do what the Romans do so i partcipated in these deer drives. I plan on going back up to 6P/6R to finish out my ML season. My friend and I have a piece of property(100 acres)that has yet to be hunted and I am assumming the deer will be unmolested those first 2 days we hunt it. Last year after each hunt in 6P we would shine the fields and every other field held 10-15 deer casually eating at app. 6PM.