I sure as heck dont need anyone to tell me the numbers are down, thats what we all have been saying repeatedly in this thread. I just disagree with your way of thinking on this and blaming the DEC, thats all. I enjoy reading others takes on this, and posting mine. I believe that most hunters I know, recognizing a decrease beyond what the DEC suggests, would simply kill less deer, thats all, rather than "fill their freezer".