superdaveisright about the whining part, NICE BUCK BTW jcchartboy... Atlasman...blame everything on the DEC. DEC this DEC that.. its not hunterjoe shooting the fawns or hunterjoe killing spikes,, no no its not everybody and there brother killing anything that moves.If IF every single person that hunted, practiced QDM, you wouldent need a DEC.But thats not the real world.What dose D.E.C. stand for??? do you think they only manage deer herd??? no theres alot of other thingson there mind than how many deer there are in this area buddy. think about it.. its not perfict, and its not like it was,, back then you could shoot anything that moved because there was alot of deer!!!we had lotsof tags,, i do blame the DEC for not catching this in time. and the DEC,,there not on top of it,, most people think thats what they want, no deer or more money,, we will never no the truth,, we no that, YOU no that.. sooo all your gunna do is whine when you should take it in your own hands and hunt your private land with some QDM,, like i said, what do you want out of this sport? you havent answered that?you say poor land conditions,, are you affraid to nock on a door and shake a hand for permition or you wouldent want to lease land? leasing land i think is great because then YOU have more say who can hunt and who cant. IF you make that agreement with the land owner. private land has been hunted for years. how can you predict the future of hunting to say it will disappear do to leasing??? can you readddd thiiiss ookkk, im sorry i dont take the time to proof read,Buti see you got the point. good

look, all im saying is... we have seen these numbers dropping for some time now. we have done something about it knowing there not gunna get any better.Were not gunna relyon some NY department program.we stopped the slotter and started QDM. we were you once complaining about the DEC but we woke up stopped the bickeringand did something aboutit. 3 years now and on our private and leased land our deer numbers are higher than they were when we noticed the numbers dropping. i think you took me the wrong way. im trying to give you advice and this is what i get? im not suprized anymore.