I hunt in Lycoming County.. I have grown up around hunting and have always seen my dad and uncles always bag atleast a 6pt or better each year i can remember.. I've had my chances at some quality bucks even when the management system started.. twice i've shotten a buck only to be shotten by another guy since I hunt on the edge of our property.. I don't mind someone else tagging my deer i shot at because they were the last one to shoot and finish with the kill shot.. they killed it their deer... anyways people always loved to come spot lighting in our fields preseason just because we had so many deer to look at and some nice bucks to display.. well those people are gone because there is nothing to look at... you are lucky to scout where i live and see a deer sign.... i just walked around our property and seen one good path in 300 acres that was being used... that's pathetic if you ask me... then i walked around our fields and through the main woods and didn't even kick a single deer up, when in the past i would see about 10-20 deer just walking through a particular spot... hunting as we knew it in PA is dying and the only ones that can stop this is the game commission.. but what do they know.. they like to shoot off the does.. yeah that's really working well... u can't survive on 1 doe every 100 acres... and again you can't hunt what's not there to be hunted...