MY friend just came back from PA for a week of hunting and his story sounds all to similar to what I am hearing here. I hunt Upstate NY and the herd seems to be fine up there, but he told me this was the 1st year ever, that none of the hunters in his camp took a buck, and none even took a deer. He said the deer numbers in that area are now horrible and almost not worth taking to trip back to PA next year unless some things change. He stated the same reason, too many doe permits. They can have twin opffspring if they are hanging in the deer cooler!!!!