RE: 4x4 or 8pt
B&C counts points per side, not total(anything measuring 1" is deemed a tine/point/G).
Here we call em' 4x's. If he has junk (non-typicaltines/growth) that measures min. 1" will say he is a 4x4 with kickers(are growthoff tines)or sticker's(are growth off main beams).