atlisman,, what part of "As far as state land, no idea." dont you understand...one thingi do no,, public land SUCKS for hunting around here.. you got every woodchuck in the woods pushing deer onto MY land!.. how bout' trying to nock on a door and getting permition,, then we would see more,, "I am QDMn' my land and i have lots of deer!" on these posts.. ask yourself what doyou want out of this sport,, you can hunt public land and see nothin,, or a little PR work and hunt land owners prop.