RE: Disgusted with PA
what hes talking about is the state starting a program to reduce the states overall population to make it healthier and reduce "overbrowsing" and also to correct the majorly out of whack buck to doe ratio...from my limited passed expirience(starter hunting at 12..in 98 or 99... every year till now)...my first year they started all this...youth could take does on the saturdays only i think..then a 3 day doe season...the next year they let youth take does all the 2week buck season i think..and the normal 3day doe season...same the 3rd year...then the 4th year they started it hard core i think it was...2 week buck/doe season running together.....with antler restrictions....the whole state was 3pts to a side i believe...cant remember...i know where i hunted that year it was 3pts...but now its 4pts to a side.......they also increased the number of doe tags to be sold by ALOT......that year started the massacre.....now...after a few years....hunting in alot of areas is plain terrible....northern and centeral areas(mountains) used to have large herds of deer.....dad used to tell me of seeing 20-50deer running together all the time was common...but youd be lucky to see a buck in the group....areas like that took the brunt of the herd reduction......but most everywhere is seeing a decline now....and to tell you the truth...i dont know if the antler restricions are doing much....weve always grown a few whoppers...but i dont know..this year we were seeing better bigger bucks in better numbers....but alot got whacked by cars from what weve heard....i think part of the problem with the antler restrictions are to many illegal bucks being taken.....and junior hunters 16 and under...disabled people and military persons can take and buck they want.....and with the other majority of hunters not taking the small bucks that are illegal its not hard for the people who legal can take them to find one and take them.....i think its realllllly hindering the possible result..we got good genes...good nutrion in most areas.....and can produce some whoppers if we let them grow....i know alot of guys take illegal bucks regaurdless of antler restricions...either shot them and let them lay.....shoot them and make juniors tag them....or shoot them and take the horns and butcher the deer themselves.....i dont oppose to youth, disabled and military to taking bucks adults arent allowed....gets kids into hunting and bagging bucks ect....but i think the first 5 years or so ALL hunters should have been held to the ARs....then i think it would worked alot better....and then there would be ALOT of guys passing 1.5yr old 8pts just because there are so many bigguns running around that guys pass small legal bucks...i know i would if there were alot of BIG legal bucks.....but alot of 6 and 8pts here(some parts of the state are 3pts 1inch long to a side....the western part of the state is 4pts to a side 1 inch long) are still only 1.5yrs old......heck my buddy took a 4x6 that im willing to bet was only 1.5yrs old....tiny little scrappy rack..but it was a 10pt!......i dont know.....something needs done.....i will say however that i do think it got the buck to doe ratio ALOT better....before...i bet it was 10-20 does to one antlered buck when i first started....now its a bit better....but the overall number is lower......so i dont know....ive never been much of a buck hunter....it was just hard to find horns in the beginning of my career....now i see bucks once in a while...but a legal buck is a diffrent story for me.....passed a legal buck yesterday that got shot by my buddy down the line in the drive.......happy for him...but i couldnt put 4 inch long points on that bucks head....to make it worse it was a half rack..other side was a club...or claw...like a mini moose antler...about the size of my fist....with a bunch of little points....pretty wild..i would had him mounted.....other side had 4 normal nice points.....would have been a nice 8pt if it was normal racked......but that other side is awesome......too bad...but im just trying to be lawful.....tomarrows another day....and im the only one with a gun......but i only have one driver...but hes the best....and knows where the deer lay and where they will come out.....with noone else to worry about we just may have a decint day....the first day him and his daughter hunted like that and he took a buck...and his daughter missed....saw like 6 bucks by 11am......i still have mixed feelings about it all.....even though after yesterday ARs ticked me off pretty good....i just cant count points.....unless its a monster or standing in a clearing i dont think ill ever beable to count points.....i dont think many guys bother.........spray and pray and get lucky.....or just do an illegal act....heard of guys breaking off horns to tag them as does ect ect.............but none personally