bjr224 has a good idea. BE THERE EARLY. if they are mostly nocturnal i would make a mock scrape in an area were you see does alot. edge or woods your callthe second rut shold be coming into effect soon here in the upper u.s. (new york latitude). the scrapes should keep them in the area, should.use buck urine( diluted if you want) and see if you can get one of those brusiers to set up broad side of your syand. play the wind. i would stay quiet and not use calls. this time of the year i feel the majority of the deer are all about suvival. if you can mate, GREAT. but save your skin 1st . BOY I CAN FEEL YOUR EXCITEMENT! good luck. be patient. use antiscent soap and shi#, stay still and i know bro youwill nail one of these brutes. PLEEEEASE SEND PICKS. damn, i love hearing stuff like this on he board.