The H&R's don't need to be that heavy either. They have a steel bar in the stock, just take it out if you don't want the weight. And from what I understand with the H&R's the 20 guage is actually the better gun. They seem to be a bit more accurate and have more flexability because you can swap out different barrels on them.

Had money not been a concern for me I would have bought the savage. Same way with my Muzzle Loader, which JCC also has[:'(].

And where I hunt my longest possible shot is 150 yards, I hunt over a meadow that butts up against a small woods and a large corn field. To the far corner of the property to my blind is 147 yards. And deer tend to walk right down the fence line on the other side and hop the fence near the far corner.

Paul