BigJ, I agree. I had to switch to feathers rather than vane, and even thoough I am college edumacated, I dont ask how, just that is does, and the WB has since I put it on. And with using feathers I take the wing feathers from my turkeys, and send them off to gateway to be cut and then refletch the next year's arrows.....anyway, some like Muzzy, some like the others, some of us like the WB. you know what I say, who cares! Lets go hunting together!