muzzyman88- i think your post was well thought out and well writen. and i agree w/ most of what you say about the HR and the trees. now for AR well im sure their are cases of what you said about a 3 yr old being a little 6 but i dont know.. like for me i shot a 2 1/2yr old monday. it was a 7pt w/ a 17" inside spread. pretty nice buck to some. but he wasent tall. you give him one more year or even 2 and wow he would be a monster. but thats never going to happen on sgl. now i know i pulled the trigger butw/ all the time i put in the woods this year and w/ trail cameras and everything, this was the biggest buck seen. now im sure there is a bigger one out there but w/ hunting these days you might not see another deer all season. in the past i saw what i shot this yearand even bigger but the difference was i saw more, just because there were more deer. none the less i am proud of my buck but i also shot one that looks just like it 14yrs ago