they seem like nice bullets...load nice...nice design....but my rifle absolutely HATES to fling any kind of bullet out of it......itsa roundball tack driver though.....i shot up 2 box of them bullets because i wanted to hunt with them so bad...tried everything......nothing worked to get my totally happy....they shot OK in my gun but not like a roundball.....they are the only conical that i can get down my barrel without swabbing between shots.....i shot both the round and hollow points......