lol thanks guys....i really think that they might bed infront of me REAL quick if my plan works out and i hunt that spot....im betting pressure sends them running right back to that ravine to hide out...and they will probably keep running/trotting clear to the ravine...its usually a heavily hunted area...sportsmans club near by alot of guys hunt...local dump across the hill....a heavily hunted road on the other side...just alot of guy in a small area...the deer are going to be seeking cover and that little hide out is a sanctuary i bet...noone has any reason to walk near it or through it.....i just got pretty dang lucky that i walked to it lookin for them turkeys...and it will be like...10days or so since i kicked him and his doe out of there...so he will have time to settle down....once the guys move in the woods at first light hes going to be running for his hide out...and i really think i found it.....and ill be there an hour before shooting light just to beat him and the other guys in......cant wait....just gota clear it with the drive leader......he likes to know where we will all be sitting in the morning...and he gets us our permission on all the land being he farms ALL the land...even if its posted we get permission just by knowing him lol.....its nice...but i always clear it with him to let him know wehre ill be...where i should park...if i need to knock on doors first ect......and i dont wanna make him mad....hes a good friend of mine and he leads our drives later in the day...i just dont think he will see my logic behind sitting there...hes a drive hunter and thats all he knows...he knows how to send guys to sit certain spots but wont understand that that spot should work because of pressure from other hunters.......though last year i sat where he told me it was useless lol.....thanx guys..