Yes, tells me that the people who know, answer, and the one's that don't have a clue......wait till later and hash, So you neversaid, what do you feel? If you read at the start, and not just at the finish, you would see that opinions werewanted. Not to be held against any one. I think its a very good topic, everyone on here seems to know what kinda dog the new guy needs, but yet no one knows how to make or fix the dogs they got that have probs, or don't have probs. I think its great to help others out with dogs problems. Ya know, I hate that I even tried to get a feel for the people that are on here.Who seriously works with he dog, and who sits here waiting to pounce. Itis a shameto try and ruin a good thing, but I guess its parr for the course. Ya know I take my job and proffesion to heart, I have made some awsome dogs, in hunting and comp. I am honest with the dogs, and the owners. So I guess it boils down to ... I don't have any problem sleeping at night. So you obviosily have fixed and done more than me, sorry to upset you with a simple question. OOOPS! Thanks Jonesy