The doe I hit at 5 feet was hit through both rib cages. The entry was roughly the size of the bullet and when I opened her up the first rib cage where the bullet entered was busted up greatly. The exit rib cage had bone missing and the exit hole was roughly the size of a coke can. I also had found the sabot inside and like I said before I think the close range had everything to do with it. These are made for bones she dropped right in front of me. If my barrel was longer I think I could have touched her nose. I know she got the smoke in the face, how awesome is that to be that close.