thanks, he said a smaller 8 walked out first....and he saw something behind him in the brush so he let it walk...and then this guy came out at about 8 yards.....and with a slug gun, he dropped within about 40 feet. However, a much bigger 10-pointer walked in range about 50 yards away about 30 minutes later, and he had to let him pass since he only had a antlerless permit left. This year has had the most big bucks ever in our area, so I hope I can still get one. Across the road, one kid has got a 14 pointer the other day, which would probably score about 160 or so, and he got a 10 pointer which is pretty nice i heard in bow season. This is all within probably 500-700 yards of our stands across the road. So they are out there, Im just waiting to get one within my sights. Good luck guys.