Dave seems like I do know Franny Cole, the guys I hunt with are all farmers from Smyrna, Clarence Scuse, George Wilson, Geo Staats, Dempsey,s and Charlie Towles who is an electrician, Charlie and I pretty much hunt together and I'll tow his jeep up for me and him to run around in, we are on 6000 acres next to Sproul state forest which is 200,000 acres, talk about wilderness....Our property is owned by timber company and we rent from them along with about a dozen other camps... We also go up for spring gobbler and once or twice in the summer .... We [ut in a shower a couple years ago...