My feeling is that someone wanted a biddable type dog that's not hyper and felt pointing would be nice. I don't mind them but personally would not get one. I now do strictly upland soI got a pure upland dog.

From what I know, labs are not really built to run. They are bred to retrieve. Thick bodies to bust through weed and cattails. Natural swimmers. Excellent marking ability. You can breed them tobe runners like the EP, GSP,Visula, etc. but thenyou will prolly have to sacrifice something else. Running vs. swimming, hyper vs. biddable, marking vs. finding, etc.

Most labs I've seen hunting upland, tend to lop ahead, I've rarely seen a lab quarter but then I haven't seen a PL hunt. I'm use to huntingwith EPs and ESs so when I see a dog that doesn't have his nose down going full bore I tend to ignore it. The dog that loves open country usually catches my eye.

Anyhow, I'm sure Doc E and Wayne1's dogs are very good in the field and better in the cattails. I would love to see a PL hunt but haven't had the opportunity. So, I'll reserve judgement on whether I like them or not.