Okay, now I want all to understand, I personally, am not against this,or for this. This is a topic for everybody to put there 2 cents in!! No offense on anybodies part!! DocE still love ya and I AM NOT against what your dog can do!!! I mean that, this is a topic of discussionthat happens all over the U.S. Just seeing how everybody felt. PLEASE, NO OFFENSE!! Now I have worked several labs that paused right before the flush, a noticable pause. But then again, I have also had some springers do the same. I wonder why?? I have had this discussion with different pro's, They have felt that the dog was deciding what to do. So you think more man made than bred into. I mean, I guess, if we think about it, all the pointing breeds flush some what, before, we teach not to, correct?? Now here's a good one...... Is it worth it to " change " the breed?? And encourage this response. I mean I don't feel nothing better, than to have big ol rooster up under my feet with my lab nipping feathers out?? Thanks Jonesy