Then my recommendation to Obby1 is to call Doc E for another PL sinceObby already has a PL and know the breed.

Blueditch42
I'm also a fan of english setters and english pointers. More setters than pointers. Half the fun of watching a dog point is watching that tail go crazy when on scent. And when they do lock up *bam* tail stops dead. You definitely can't fault them on their noses or their drive. EPs are terrific in the field but too impersonal in the home but still really nice dogs as I hunted behindmy friends onefor a few years. But with the setter, you just can't beat that tail