I agree wolfen, I used to gun hunt but it just isn't fun anymore. My dad has always gun hunted and can't figure out why I just shake my head in a negative way when I see about 20 deer hanging that his group and him shoot during shotgun season. Most of which shouldn't have been shot at all. They seem to want to kill anything that runs in front of them. I have to go shotgun hunting this year with my son. He's 10 and not strong enough to kill one yet. He's pulling about 20 to 25 lbs now. Hopefully next year I can get him on the stand with his bow. Then we can let the guns hybernate in the gun safe.