Calls can be very weird sometimes but ive found that using scent to corresspond with your calls can actually work alot better. Also this sounds kinda weird but when i rattle i look around to make sure there are no deer around and then i climb down from my stand and stop around and shake little trees while rattling then i jump back up in my stand really fast. It has been working really well for me. And since you mentioned your hunting with your dad you should try sittin down wind of him and having him rattle. good luck