Go to Cabelas and check the bargain cave. They have the Pedersoli Brutus 94 muzzleloaders that look like the Kahnkes for 199.99 on the site. When the sales person places your order it comes up as 149.99. You can get moth wing camo or the one with black soft touch stocks. It is actually rubber coated wood. I ordered one and it is nice. The frame is color case hardened and it has a kick eez recoil pad. The camo has a blued frame. They originally sold for $449.99 and $499.99, the first being the black one. They also have some others dropped way low on price in the bargain cave. Bass pro has some Knight disc elites in .45 cal. at real low prices. The Sportsmans Guide has some .50 cal. Knight disc elites also at good prices and they have the rings and bases included plus it has the new quick release bolt feature on the side and fast bolt take down without using a tool.. There are other brands on the Sportsmans Guide too. If you buy from the Guide they have a lifetime warranty as long as you have the receipt. If you shoot it and dont like it, just send it back for exchange or refund. No questions asked. If your a member of the Guides buyers club you get 10% off. I buy alot from the Guide. Good luck!!!! Hoped I helped.