I went out tonight to new place that I put a stand up before season..By 4:00 I had a 7 point within 20 yards and thought that it was gonna be a great night. Well, I didnt see anything til nearly dark, and it was 4 does still together. Maybe the deer are not quite in full rut?? Saw a big coyote..and there has been 2 killed there already this year with a bow, so im thinking that the coyotes are killing the Deer hunting in that area. All the deer I saw were VERY spooked the whole time and the does were over 100 yards away and had no idea i was there.