I gess the main difrance is I took my son when he was not ever 3 years old. Packed his but 3 to 7 miles elk hunting on my back.He now at just 10 days over 5 years old will wall[or crall] t5ill I say stop.You can say I am very harsh. He can allso call elk for me and hunting buddys with a read call. Heck most nem cant do that.He will allso put in his imfo on what we should do. I ask for this most every time hunting with him.I am lucky I am a stay at home dad. With my kids every day.

At 12 and 13 years old I will never have to tell my kids to climb a stand they will have done it many years befor that old.People do not push there kids as much as I think they should be.Out of the ton of people I know with kids here in MT non of them take there kids till they are well over 10.Funny how my boy at age 5 has been with me on 4 elk kills. And most peoples kids only get to see them dead in the truck at that age.All the elk where bow killed.My son dose not go rifle hunting [exept yotes] As I do not do much rifle hunting.

My little girl is not even 2 yet but we [wife and I] have taken her and my boy hunting many times allready.

Dose any one ever climb trees with there kids any more.Just for fun.I do this all the time with mine.Maby take them to the park on the gyms.They are not much difrant than a tree stand.

I say push your kids they will get better than you are.

And what I ment for my kids There are things you have to do if you are going to go hunting with me. I have taken many many kids that where not mine nore where they related. Not one of them had a proble folowing the rules. If they did not DO AS I TOLD THEM. They would stay home the next time. So far I have never had to do this 2 times.Funny how a kid will do all they can get away with.And do every thing they are told to do.If there is some bad ending if they do not.No bad endding they do what they want :}