Saw a spike today. Coulnt shoot it if i wanted too. The new DMU 3C and 3J says a buck has to have at least 3 points on one side to be a legal buck. Thats OK, I woulnt shoot it anyway. The good news is the 7 and 8 pointer all the folks have seen that live where I hunt say they still see both of them. I'll be lookin for them.