Thanks Rammer some one agrees i think alot of people are just pursuaded by the magazines and books and stuff that say the 250 makes the 223 obsolete but it doesnt and it not the size or speed of the bullets it if your a good shot or not cuz in my experiences ive shot more with my 22lr then my 250 cuz the 250 isnt enough different then my 223 to take most of the time and unless out in really wide open spaces a 223 will shoot plenty far enough.