Whew, I wish I made a commision. I'd have money coming in from coast to coast, well now lets really get into opinions. For the average weekend hunter, getting any breed as a pup, will be the best choice. And actually hes got the best all around breed already at the house. I have been a pro for 15 yrs, I do retrievers, for hunting and competition, I do bird dogs all breeds for hunting, walking comp, horseback comp. so I personally get to see all different flavors. Now he does not have to call any of my connections, that is his choice, and whoever he goes to might say on the phone that they have the dog, he gets there and nothing suits his fancy, thats his choice. I think it's like buying a car. Now since I started this site, most of you have had disbelief, in myself and what I say. Thats fine, its your opinion. But what I don't understand is why everything that I have suggested to do to fix the problem, no one has come back and said " Jonesy that did not work " and there will be times that will happen. Until then you dont offer to many suggestions, because the handlers, then the dogs get confused. So I try to keep everything black and white, for both, as you have read, I explain what and why, then ask if they have questions or if they understand. This is what I believe, I am honest with the handlers, and honest with the dogs. I don't believe in Quick Training, I don't care if it takes a week or month, until I read the dog and it accepts the teaching it is not goin on any further, sobefore the dog leaves it and the owner will understand what and why. This is fair to both. I think dogs all the time, this is a way to help, I don't care if I get a client off of here, what I want is you to go away thinking, "wow, that makes sense." If you have read in my other posts, I always say Patience!! It pays off in long run. So what we should be doin, instead of testing me, is trying to once again help someone out with the questions. How about we ask what kinda of terrain, or what he would or is thinking of what he'd like to have, not ourselves. Then we'll work together off of that. Like I said earlier, have you ever hunted both styles together, flushing and pointing?? You better expect some mistakes to happen, if both are young dogs. What about springer spaniel, Jeff Bryson in Lapeer Mich. has an awsome dog, retrieves does whatever he's huntin. Grouse pheas quail. German shorts are nice also, I just broke one for a grouse dog, for Les Sandridge, an ins. man in Stanton Virginia. Bought as pup, I believe the dog learnsthrough the time spent by the owner. It can go on and on. Please do not feel that I am being smart in any way. The biggest part of Jonesy's gun dogs, is finding dogs for people, and fixing all the man made errors. Thanx, I will not lead you a stray, Jonesy