thanks 500, i never hunt w/o saftey devices, i used to, but i have had 2 close calls, both w portable climbers, many many moons ago when i was new to the game, now i know better, thankfully i found out w/o having to suffer too badly, alsofunny how you can break out in a sweat in 20 deg. weather[:-]

wear'em, i dont want to read about any of my buddies in the paper