Thanks for the info guys. Just recieved my order of harvesters today. I miked the thickes comapring them to the ones i received with the shockwaves and the harvesters are .001 thinner than the ones included with the shockwaves so I am gonna head to the range saturday and test them out as far as loading ease. Also recieved som tc magnum express sabots am gonna try those out also. will keep ya posted. Also can anyone suggest a powder charge of i am to be shooting out to 150 yards with the 250 or 300 gr sabots. I am currenty using 100 gr of triple seven.