I agree. They are a fun gun to shoot and a very good close range big game getter. I have had the Marlins both in 357 and 44 Mag. I now have a 44 Mag and 357 Mag in the NEF rifles. They shoot very well and since the are rimmed cartridges, the eject very well from the Handi Rifles. The NEF rifles can also be reamed very easily to 357 Max and 445 Super Mag.