ORIGINAL: zekeskar
ORIGINAL: UThunter
the difference between short and long actions is not BS. If someone wants a shorter action and consequently usually lighter gun and supposedly more accurate due to stiffer action, then why not? those that are soooo opposed to new cartridges and guns are usually just mad cause they can't afford to buy a new gun. theres nothing wrong with a big selection of guns and ammo so everyone gets exactly what they want. if people stopped developing new guns, then we would still be shooting flintlocks...and they only have one shot and NO bolt throw so no problem right? only need one shot
Believe me, I don't disagree that there are differences that people might appreciate between the various cartridges, and I could care less if someone enjoys the very subtle differences and buys the gun that they want. Believe me again, I have hobbies with gear that some would say is redundant, but I like because of subtle differences (and have just because I can afford it!) But to say people are opposed to new cartridges just because they can't afford them is just arrogant BS. Maybe we don't like them because _for us_ they don't represent any practical, in the field (or maybe even at the range) difference from what we already have, or what has been available for decades already. I could afford several more rifles and shotguns, but only own the ones that actually deliver what I need. Each gun I own has one or more very acceptable alternatives, but the alternatives aren't different in any meaningful way, and I don't CHOOSE to spend my money that way.
YOu jumped in the conversation wrongly. I said that people who oppose these cartridges and many others so strongly, often can't afford them, and i stick by that. It wasn't that he said oh i just prefer my long action 25/06. He was knocking wssms and wrongly stating that the difference between long and short and supershort actions were BS. the difference can be measured in quantatitive terms, so there is no way to dispute that. add that to many persuasive and probably correct conclusions of stiffer actions=better accuracy and shorter actions have less elasticity exactly because of, and directly coorilated to their short length. When someone presents no facts, and tells something like it is a fact instead of his opinion or own idea, that is BS.