Goodness gracious, you guys crack me up. Shatter huh? Recoil? Flaming chunk? Wow! Let me guess you couldn't get 2MOA with them? It takes some homework or rangework. Right combo, you can get it. Just work at it. Most I know that can't get it working, will bark at the notion. I guess cause it doesnt' work for them, its hogwash. But these are the same guys sometimes that gets a high powered rifle for the gun season. I use my ML for most hunting. I like the flattness with 150gr pyro loads. Never witnessed a flaming chunk. Hey the chronograph don't lie. That extra 50gr gives me almost 300fps increase in velocity. It must be doing something.

I suggest looking at tight fitting sabots like the barnes expander. I use a magnum subbase under that.

This year, I have found excellent results with 130gr of 777 ffg loose with the knight powerstem. Thats the load that gave me the best accuracy. So I used it for the past two days with wonderful results on deer. I agree with cayugad, if I got best accuracy with 110gr, I would have used it. If it was 140gr loose, I would have used it. Yes, knight said thier newer knight elite with a powerstem can handle 150gr loose 777 loads. But it was 130gr. Last year, I tried 3 777 pellets also with pretty good results. I mean what use is 2100fps 250gr bullet loads if it can't hit 2MOA or better?