Thanks for the welcome m.t. hands. I went by cheeta a couple years ago but fried my computer. Could not get my old call sign back but it's nice to be back. I did check reviews on Honda's automatic rubicon (per stubblejumper), I really like the auto. It seems thru the reviews though, Honda is still working on an existing problem with the trans. My friend's 450 full time 4w honda is a real bear to handle in tight spots. I found myself constantly backing up and manuvering. The ride was very stiff andfatiging. The Polaris I rode was a scrambler type, not utility. Seems like I could ride all day andstill want to hit it again. Guess first impressions die hard. Resale value seems lower on Polaris than Honda, which is good if I buy a used one. Thenegative feed back on Polaris does raise some concerns although I still lean towards my first positive experience. I thank everyone for their imput. This forum is the best and so are the participants. Hope to see more imput on this issue.PS. I really liked the 450 Kodiak, but the parking lot test run was teribble. The engine was missing badly and shaky. Another first impression, but negative. I hear Yamaha has ignition problems as"THEIR" nemesis.