I agree with you both, I to hunted for 15 years with any problems. The issue is this, we all talk about encounters we had with deer we seen. What about deer smelled us before we could see him? Smelled our scent were we walked in to the woods? Those are the encounters were I believe Scent control helps. I see more deer now than I did before I used scent-lok(hunting same farm). I see bigger more mature bucks. I never hunt a stand unless the wind is right. When I am in my stand I could take the suit off and be fine being I am up over 20 ft. It is walking to and from my stand is my big concearn. I hunt in MI were there is a bit more pressure, which makes the whitetails more nervous.