the only reason I see they are noisey is the 150-175lbs draw they have, of course they are noiser then a compound at that draw weight. I know with the limb savers package on my crossbow it is pretty quiet and fast.

I too have the ten point red dot scope, I also set it for 20/30/40. Even at 40 yards I can maintain a half dollar group with outa rest.

It is like the recurve bow guys, they think a compound bow is not bow hunting, and so on.... I wish people would just grow up and go out and have fun with what ever you have or can afford

Kurt