An Indian girl killed a very large grizzly with a 22 long rimfire. That don't make the 22 RF a grizzly gun. An elk killed at 500 yards does not make the 243 an elk gun and such shots are irresponsable as hell. Your idea that velocity is the only thing you need to make a clean kill is disproven BUNK. Go ahead and live in your bubble, I have no more to say on this subject.[:'(]