Hey guys, easy on Sniper, he has a right to an opinion just like you. Maybe he doesn't agree with the popularity theory you have Rebel. Maybe I don't.

As for me, I like both. I have both. Don't have a problem with either. I have had probably a dozen Leupolds and have had one with fog issues that they had to fix.

As far as optics qualities, neck and neck. You could line up 10 ziess's and 10 leupolds and pick the worst and best of them all. And it would be one and half dozen of one and 18 of the other.

What Ziess does have over the Leupolds VX line is a solid one piece tube. I wrote John Barshness on this and he tried to tellme, that that doesn't matter. But any machinist might say different. I know at my company alone we are in Cost Reducing mode and have been for some time. And some corners can be cut, but you won't really know until the system hits the field in large quanities. John tried to tell me Leupold wouldn't let it out the door if it didn't match the Vari-X III line.

But the bottom line is he doesnn't know. He hasn't performed any stress tests or EOL (end of life) tests. He's going on word of mouth. And truthfully, I don't either.

I have a few VX's and have to admit thier optical qualities are excellent. Better than Vari Xs. Thier index matching coating is very good.

But so is Ziess's. But when someone tries to tell me,now that they got a Ziess on thier gun, they can hunt 1/2 later than everyone else with Leupolds,I knowjust towalk away.