I think we need to stick together and agree to disagree. We all love the sport or hunting but fighting will bring it down. I started this post to vent about bad hunters out there not RIFLES. It happened that they were using rifles which with this being a hot topic I thought it would just bring heat to the rifle situation that they were bad hunters. I am sure they were just as bad with shotguns. I myself use a semi rifle and shotgun infact all my guns are semi's except my muzzeloader. I am just gonna be very careful in the woods like I always am cause there are a few out there that shouldn't be there. I guess I should have titled the post different instead of mentioning rifles. Thanks everybody and lets secure the existance of our sport.