4in anit that bad,,i am lucky to get a 2in group at 20yrd,,and ussaly shoot an average of a 6in group at 20yrd,,but i am limiting my self to a 25yrd max,,the main reason being cause i shoot a pendalum sight and cause even with a 60#bow with 2315 alum.arrows and a 100 grn stinger i want to be sure i get enough penetration to ethically and quickly take down a deer