BBBAGMAM TREE LOUNGES TREESTANDS ARE GREAT, THERE IS A COMPANY CALLED TIMBERTALL THATS MAKING A 12 LB CLIMBER . GO TO ASK JEEVES TYPE IN TIMBER TALL TREESTANDS AND CHECK THEM OUT. PERSONALLY I USE A OLD WARREN AND SWEAT 16LBS , I HUNT FACING THE TREE GIVES ME SOME COVER, I SHOOT EITHER HAND SO I CAN COVER A340 DEGREE CIRCLE