Hey guys thanks for all the info, I like this site, I found that 92 grs of R22 seems to do well in my 300rum with the 180 gr scirooco, I shot a nice 1/2 inch group. I did not check the fps, should make a good elk getter. I loaded some 150 seira's they tend to explode a lot in and exit, is there a great bullet for deer that won"t blow em up so bad , in South Dakota out on the praire long shots are common , so a load to reach out and touch em , but not disintegrate, any input will be appreciated thanks gentelman ,Fishead