Dkeener, I know there's people that blame the heavy bows on shoulder injury but in my experience (35 yrs.) I've seen just as many shoulder problems with 45 & 50# shooters. I'm a 150# 51 yr. old and my son is 130# 27 yr. old and we both shoot 80# all the time. This is even in tournaments. My average score this year at 3d shoots from the compound hunter stakes was 238. 4 yrs. ago I tore a rotator in my shoulder pulling down a treestand. in January. I killed my buck that year with my 80# longbow. You just have to keep after it. There's been massive amounts written on the proper exercise to shoot big stuff but I've found the bset to be just shooting regular. The lighter bow shooters seem to put them away quicker and get them out later than the heavy bow guys. I shoot year round. So to answer your question, to me the best Heavy Longbow I've ever seen shot is still the HH. My son's Wesley Special shoots 825 gr. arrows like darts and I've never seen a reflex/deflex hybrid shoot a heavy arrow anywhere near the way his HH does.