I have seen some great looking 8 pointers that were 2 years old.One of them is on my P&Y list for shooters this year.He is only 3 1/2 but he is still a awesome buck.Unfortunately around here that is usually there last year because someone will get him if I dont.We have a ton of hunters here in Southern Illinois.Especially gun hunters.one of the properties that I hunt 2 families gun hint it during shotgun season.2 brothers and there 3 total daughters.so 5 gun hunters and the next property over there is usally 4 gun hunters on that one also.Big bucks dont last long here.but I am concentrating on a 4 1/2 yr old at another property I hunt.