I got my first one here in 8R and got turned down for #2..first time I haven't got both since I started hunting in 1997. I didn't even try for 8P this year as my first choice like I usually do. Honestly, in alot ofareas around the house here the does have been harvested quite heavily in the past several years and the overall thepop. isdownfrom where it was at 3 of 4 yrs. ago. Good luck on getting a buck.