Swampmonster I'm not putting down treestands they just don't work very well around here or in much of the country I hunt . My point was that if I drove my truck there I'm no different than if I ride my atv . How you use either one would tell if you were lazy not because you do . I see all kinds of things done by 4x4 trucks that I don't approve of ,but I don't belittle all 4x4 drivers because of it . I've had a few hunts spoiled myself but I can't find fault with all the riders just because of a few.