i use 35'of 1/4" rope and put a loop at one end and do a chain or running knot in it . i end up with 2 or 3 coils instead of 10 to 15. i clip the bow on one end ,put the other on my wrist, climb the tree and in uncoils without any tangles. boy scout lifesaving book or a good knot book can teach you . its easy