I have to agree. The bear in the first pic would go around 200 pounds while the bear in the second would go more towards 125. As far as ma and pa being around you won't have to worry about that with these bears. Even the one in the last pic is last years cub and wouldn't be with the mother anymore. We had three bear in our camp 2 nights ago and this years cubthat came in wentaround 30 pounds right now. We also had one in that would be pushing 400 pounds but I'll have to show you his pic after I get him this bear season.